Saturday, June 04, 2005

John Paul's notes not burned

This news story says that Pope John Paul's personal secretary did not burn the pope's notes, as his will indicated. The secretary didn't do it because he didn't want to lose the riches that are there. I for one am glad that he didn't, and hope they will eventually be published so we can learn more about John Paul the Great. What do you think?

20 comments:

Jeff Miller said...

Mixed feelings on this one. Glad to see his notes one day being published, but I don't see how his wishes being disrepected can be justified.

Sixtina87 said...

I feel that they should have been burned as John Paul had requested!!! Even though it was his life's works, we should also respect the fact that he wanted that done, but if it didn't happen, what are we to do about it?? But however will they be published in a few years from now??? Maybe John paul had written this in his will to "test" us on what we would do, whether it would be following his wishes or disobeying him!!!!!

Joanne said...

Mixed feelings, but, I think that he gave up so much of his personal life to live out his vocation. We should allow him this last bit of privacy. He gave us more than enough treasures.

Jack Bennett said...

I have mixed feelings as well. I think Dom Stanislaw sees these things as historical documents pertainting to someone he and many others view as a saint and felt they would valuable as part of the patrimony of the Church. I doubt JP2 saw them in the same way because I doubt he viewed himself in such terms. Yet...he did want them destroyed.

Yvonne said...

No mixed feelings here. I think our late Holy Father intended for them to be burned becauseof his hmility- he did not want attention drawn to himself, he saw himself as an ordinary man doing the wrok of God and for God and his church. I think it wasnt to hide from the public his personal thoughts, etc.. but due to his humble nature, he didnt want to be elevated oras being something extraordinary.
Fr Stan was with him for many years and I dont think its so much that he wants to "gain" from John Pauls writings. But the papers are worth retaining for church history and for the late Holy Fathers cause for sainthood.
If there is anyone who knew him best, it would be Fr Dziwisz and I truly believe in my heart that the late Holy Father wanted them destroyed as to not draw attention to himself because to him, he was a poor humble servant.

Paul N. said...

Last wills should be respected. I think it's the heighth of pride to "overturn" JPII's will that these papers be destroyed.

Steven said...

Dear Sir,

Mixed feelings. But in a slightly oppposite direction--John Paul II should not have given orders to burn such documents. Either he should have done it himself or should have refrained as he should well have known that it would not be possible for someone else to do so after his death. What a terrible burden to place on a good friend!

But, given that he did order it, it probably should have been done. I'm glad it wasn't, but one's wishes should be respected.

On the other hand, one's wishes also probably should be realistic--in this I do not think John Paul the Magnificent was thinking as people after him would do. Oh well, we all have our limitations.

shalom,

Steven

Becky said...

The disobedience of not following his instructions should not be condoned by the Catholic Church. Pope Benedict has an obligation to see that Pope John Paul's II final request be followed and respected. In my eyes it is very sad for them to have such little disregard to our late Father of the Church.

Becky

Therese Z said...

Actually, I think if they had been burned, someone could have pointed to the request to do so and asked "What did he have to cover up? You know........"

This way, they're all there for the world to see.

I too wish his wishes had been respected, but if they were deathbed requests, I'm not sure they were made in the sana-est of mens.

Anonymous said...

The fact remains that ownership of the documents were Pope John Paul II, he trusted his secretary to burn the documents as requested. His Secretary defied his request, we cannot speculate what Pope John Paul II made the request to destroy the documents. Obedience is a vow taken by Priests, this Priest simply disobeyed.

Anonymous said...

It is very sad for the Church not to obey a simple request. I have lost faith in my Church.

Paul N. said...

Well, anonymous, if after all these years of idiocy (in some places) in the Church, if you lose your faith over some notes, that's like straining on the gnat and swallowing the proverbial camel.

I've told many an ear over these now 7 years that I've been back that I (and many others) keep the faith IN SPITE of things that go on. For even if every last priest is a wolf and every Bishop a Freemason, that STILL doesn't damage the FAITH.

The FAITH remains, regardless of the state of Her believers.

Anonymous said...

Please Re-read the message, I didn't say I lost the faith in God, I lost the faith in the Church.

Anonymous said...

"You cannot have God for Father if you do not have the Church for mother." (St.Cyprian)

Anonymous said...

I didn't make my comments to start a email message war.

However, St. Cyprian may have made a mistake just like Pope John Paul's secretary, who did what he wanted to do instead of obeying the Popes request.

I use my commen sense and know that this person is wrong, he failed to comply with a request in which he was entrusted to do. I feel strongly about that. He did do wrong, the documents are not his, they belonged to the Pope.

Enough said.

Anonymous said...

If I must choose to trust St.Cyprian or you, I choose St.Cyprian. Sorry...

Seismic said...


Anonymous said...
It is very sad for the Church not to obey a simple request. I have lost faith in my Church.


I can see being dissappointed in the actions of an individual priest but the whole Church? You have got to be kidding!

There is not now, nor never will be a institution (public, private, religious etc...) on this planet that will be totally beyond reproach. The Lord's word may be divine but the humans are comprise the church are inherently imperfect. We may not like sinning that goes on in the world but we had better get over the fact that it will occur.

Sr. Lorraine said...

In reading over everyone's comments, I'm impressed at how many people said they thought the Pope's wishes should have been respected. Thinking it over, it does seem that the right thing to do would be to honor the Pope's wishes. But I can't help but feel a certain sense of relief that they weren't destroyed. The Pope's secretary was his dear personal friend, and of all people would certainly have had a profound respect for JP's wishes. But maybe he saw that the notes weren't personal matters of conscience--in which case they definitely should have been destroyed--but more like reflections or profound thoughts on the Church and the world.

Paul N. said...

Okay Anonymous, you differentiate between the Church and the Faith, and that's agreeable.

"The Church" is both the Voice of Jesus and in a secular sense an institution led by fallible men.

But the Church as the Ark, despite Her sometimes "Gilligan's Island-type" crew, remains. :o)

mama rose said...

How 'bout burn the originals - but only after they make copies...?

(Put your rotten tomatoes down - it's late and I'm punchy.)

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